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Post by Lunah on Feb 26, 2010 15:02:03 GMT -5
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Post by iceya on Feb 26, 2010 21:52:56 GMT -5
...ah, the world of "Wing" and symbolism.
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Post by Lunah on Feb 26, 2010 21:59:37 GMT -5
FORSIRIUS
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Post by windwraith on Mar 1, 2010 19:22:13 GMT -5
I had to mull over this topic for a bit and yes I agree that someone raised in a particular religion is generally more inclined to stay involved in that religion. Usually kids around the G-boys ages or maybe a little older come to a point when they decide where they believe/follow a certain religion because their parents do or because it is what they actually believe. Other times circumstances happen later in life make people reevaluate their lives and feel the need to incorporate a more spiritual dimension into their life. At its root (apart from tradition and culture) it seems religion/spirituality is a response to an inane need to be a part os something bigger than yourself, to feel you matter in the great cosmic scheme of things and that when you die a part of you lives on.
This is contrary to all Heero and Trowa were taught to believe, illustrated by Heero’s quote, life is cheep, especially mine. But the innate need that draws people to religion is still there. Relena was probably the first person tell Heero ‘you matter,’ just as Catherine was the one who got the message across to Trowa and that is why those two were so important to them. Ultimately putting your trust in people is setting yourself up for disappointment. Which I think is what Duo did, placing his faith in Solo or Father Maxwell when they died so did Duo’s faith. WuFei I think was pretty much in the same position, he put his faith in himself and when he was defeated by Treize he couldn’t handle it, then he put his trust in the elders of his colony and they blew themselves up, again, he lost it…Quatre I think is the most religious of the G-boys. He does mention ‘Allah’ several times during the series and being an empath I think having faith in the unseen would be easier for him to grasp.
The second most openly religious person in the series I think I’d have to say is Treize. He had some definitive views on god (not that I necessarily agree with his conclusions) but He truly believed in the value of human life. That was why he kept track of the casualties and was so against mobile dolls. He also had serious messiah complex which led him to sacrifice himself for the good of all mankind as an object lesson so that ESU could see how desperate their condition was and turn to peace. Sorry this is so long but like I say its been on my mind so I figured I’d share.
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Post by Lunah on Mar 1, 2010 19:49:21 GMT -5
Treize!
His definitive views are God are there is no God, if I'm not mistaken. Wouldn't that make him the opposite of religious - the only openly Atheistic character in the series? He was highly proud of himself, yes, almost messiah-like, but more of his opinion of what God would be if there was one.
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Post by windwraith on Mar 2, 2010 17:53:09 GMT -5
he never said there was no god he disagreed with god because he felt that humans should be kept on a shorter leash not run rampent and do what ever they please. he said that a warrior without distractions is close to god and he said that he believed god would understand the steps he was taking. he aslo says "When wars are dehumanized both victory and defeat become miserable, and God no longer lends a helping hand." there are a bunch of other quotes too he devinately has his own slant on religion i don't disagree there but he isn't an atheist.
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Post by Lunah on Mar 2, 2010 18:04:03 GMT -5
Yes, he did actually @.@ One of the earlier episodes, though.
Oh btw, I found a quote from Heero:
'Heero: I don't believe in gods. '
So Heero is an atheist! Anywho, Treize quotes:
Humans need a higher system than God.
Oh hey, I was mistaken. Can't find anything. I wa SURE he said something about it...
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Post by impiousimp on Aug 7, 2011 17:08:19 GMT -5
I never viewed any of them to be particularly "religious". That is I never saw any of them to be adhering to any particular rites and passages, rituals or ...whatever you do in religion.
However! Like other people have said, like in the case of Duo while he probably doesn't believe in what his religion preaches, he respects it as part of his roots. I don't think he's a theist, I don't think he believes in god, but I think he values what his specific church held sacred, especially considering how strongly Father Maxwell upheld not only his faith, but the ideals of Heero Yuy as well.
Heero and Trowa? It's hard to say. They probably might have rejected the claims of theism even if they grew up normally as seems to be the rising trend now, let alone in 250 odd years. Even now it depends on where you grow up in the world. If you grow up in the middle east you're jewish or islamic basically. (Generalizing.)
In China you're probably going to be a buddhist or nothing at all. In India? Bet your bottom dollar you're going to be believing in 3,300,000 gods which are... They're all the same god anyway.
So in 250 years the rising trends of non religious theism will probably be fairly wide spread. People will still believe in god, no doubt. But people will be less likely to attend church and be far more liberal on the parts of the bible they actually adhere to.
Like I said, I'm just kind of... speculating.
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Post by impiousimp on Aug 7, 2011 17:10:22 GMT -5
He does mention ‘Allah’ several times during the series and being an empath I think having faith in the unseen would be easier for him to grasp. Where does he mention Allah in the TV series? And in which version? In the dub there's no mention of it. |
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Post by cynfinnegan on Apr 5, 2012 5:12:59 GMT -5
It's not in the remastered version, either. The only proof that Quatre is Muslim is in the opening.
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